ok going to sas...need parts

[itsme1738]

after helping clay im gona go for it


gona buy from calmini...
front and rear spring hangers,,,,,,got
all cross members......got
top mount spring perches for axle......got
i will have the front drive shaft made
need.....
axle....d44....ryan? ...got....allen working on axle...allen done on axle..513 whoo ho
springs.....clay?........got
steering
shock hoops
shocks....size?
rear coils...size?
brake lines...got...thanks barry
gears front+rear....4.88?.....goin 513...bought
maybe lockers if i can swing it....not
wheels + tires..15x8...33s....clay?...these can wait....got
am i missing anything?
anybody got ant of these or know where to get?
tek info on sizes?
anyone....anyone...:torch: :weld: :saw: :cut: :grind: :wrench:
need rear axle...9 inch....d44....

[Allen Cox]

You'll have to regear the H233 rear axle to 4.90. Depending on which way for the brake lines, you can either get the adapters for the brake lines (metric to standard) or reflare your existing hard lines and put SAE ends on your Nissan hard lines.

[Alpine Spirit]

Shock hoops just look around there are a ton of choices out there. Steering you will more than likely reuse the steering off the axle and adapt it or go with DOM tubing setup.

Here are some parts suppliers
www.BallisticFabrication.com/
www.PolyPerformance.com
www.CompleteOffroad.com
www.SpiderTrax.com
www.AllProOffroad.com

[Nissanclay]

Jeff, I have a set of waggy springs that were going to go in ryan's waggy pile but there yours for free if you want them. I can tosds them in the back of my truck and you can grab them from me when I'm at my TKD school.

My 15x7's are spoken for but the tires are still up for grabs (i think, let me check my pm's) tires are $200.

[csutke]

what kind and size of tires?

[Packman5280]

SOA the stock steering won't work. you can use the tie rod, but not the drag link. i made a heim joint drag link since my pitman arm was already drilled to 5/8" from the LP steering, and i used a passenger side high steer arm to attach to. also, if you go SOA your pinion angle is going to be really low. if you just chanhe how the perches mount you will mess up caster and have death wobble. i cut and turned my "C's" 14 degrees to get the pinion up and keep good caster. no death wobble, drives like a caddy. well except for the bump steer, it's a bitch on this kind of setup.

you'll need to make it taller in the rear than the stock links can go, the suspension just won't go high enough. this is why i ended up long arming the rear, but there are other options. to size your shocks you'll want to get the suspension built and then measure the amount of travel and go from there. me, i just guessed and it seems to work.

[itsme1738]

ill take those clay thanks

[Allen Cox]

I don't know about having to long arm the rear. I've seen several Pathy's with a SAS that actually appear to not have a ton of lift on them. Now I don't know if those guys were running spring under in the front or not. If so, then that might be the way that itsme would want to go. Especially with a daily driver. If so, then he'll have options later on as well for a lift.

Perhaps spring under is the way to approach it.

[Ryan Gee]

There are some options that may be coming up soon.... :crazy:

[itsme1738]

like what??? dont keep me hangin!

[Allen Cox]

The suspense is the fun part! :D

[Packman5280]

you can SAS a wd21 and not long arm, but the only one's i've seen are SUA, or some other coil setup to keep it low. or ryan's frankenfab BL, and no that's not what he's talking about.

[theking]

I reused my stock front brake lines. The waggy banjo bolt fits fine in the pathy brake hose end. you can reuse the lower shock tabs, too. I think you should use stock waggy shackles and go with them up front like my bro.:thumbsup:

[Ryan Gee]

How soon you are you wanting to cut?

[NissanNut]

You'll have to regear the H233 rear axle to 4.90. Depending on which way for the brake lines, you can either get the adapters for the brake lines (metric to standard) or reflare your existing hard lines and put SAE ends on your Nissan hard lines.

This is only correct if using the ford/gm 70 ish calipers. Around 78 or 79. GM/Jeep went metric. I know 80+ is metric.

I have a 1980 and 86 dana 44 in mine. Nissan and GM use 10mm banjo at the caliper 80+. So You can use any stainless lines. From omy SAS page:

For front brake lines I bought these from Summitracing.com

24" long 10mm to 10mm. Nissan and Dana 44 axles (gm/jeep calipers) use 10mm.1980+ are all 10mm. Just like Nissan. If You already have longer aftermarket brake lines they will work.

Part # Item Price Qty Price
EAR-63010124ERL -3 ST./ST. 24" HOSE $12.88 2ea $25.76
EAR-989545ERL BRAKE ADAPTER -3 TO 10MM F I.F $4.99 2ea $9.98
EAR-997631ERL BANJO -3 TO 10MM $7.39 2ea $14.78

Parts Total: $50.52

You can save a few bucks by using shorter lines. These are quite long.
====================================

You can also use these on a stock xterra or frontier. Lance D22 has them now.

Some guys use the AC longer Nissan brake lines on there Dana 44. JTR did that. I copied his buildup basically.

I also have the metric speebleeders in both mine. The dana 44 is SAE though.

[Packman5280]

my custom lines were metric on one end and standard on the other, although i don't remember what the exact size was. calipers were for a 76 GM truck, fits with what barry said

[itsme1738]

i was thinking of using parker hose to
build mine (my company has a account there)

[itsme1738]

ryan......soon as i get all the parts!
did u get my pm?

[Ryan Gee]

Sweet... I have a few waggy axles laying around. It will need the knuckles turned 12 degrees. Let me know when you get the Calmini stuff. It will then be time to dig one of those sukkas out of the pile.

[tbecktold]

Calmini doesn't have their hangers in stock, just FYI. They said they would have them in stock "in the coming weeks" and that's the best I could get out of them.

I guess I still plan on ordering their stuff, I'm just leery of ordering it when it's not in stock.

[Bill Potter]

Calmini doesn't have their hangers in stock, just FYI. They said they would have them in stock "in the coming weeks" and that's the best I could get out of them.

I guess I still plan on ordering their stuff, I'm just leery of ordering it when it's not in stock.

LOL...They only make them after they have enough orders for a production run. If you are set on any pathy or hardbody calmini parts order asap then wait. Most of us have experienced a 2 to 3 month wait, at least they are not giving you the 2 week story that I got (over and over again).

Maybe Steve actually listened at gonemoab...Bill

[Ryan Gee]

This really stinks! Is it just the hanger?

[itsme1738]

tried to order today but didnt make it
job ran too late....order tomorow....
let u know the ship time
ryan how much for the axle?
and do you still have those rear long arms
for the pathy?

[Packman5280]

don't think his are straight anymore, but i have the jig still i think so it'll be pretty easy to make new links.

[itsme1738]

just ordered the parts
front spring hangers
cross members
bell shackle kit
weld on spring mount+bump stop kit
815.00 shipping+taxes

it was late so he will call me back tommorow
on how long to get here.....told him i heard 1 to 1.5 months
he said wow but he will call me back tommorow
we will see
thanks 4 the help guys
ryan,,,price 4 the axle?????

[Allen Cox]

He's in Anchorage as of the moment, will be back before the weekend.

Nice start!

[itsme1738]

git er done

[tbecktold]

They said 1-1.5 months on the parts availability? Or you heard that that's how long it would take from somebody else? I'm going to call them tomorrow to see if I can pin them down on an actual date for availability but am not holding my breath. :fingercross:

[ChefTyler]

Jeff told Calmini that he had heard 1.5 months, the guy at Calmini played the typical Calmini role and acted shocked. You'll get a time nailed down from Calmini but it won't necessarily be accurate.

[itsme1738]

web site says parts are in stock....
soooo.... what does that mean?

[Packman5280]

it means the website always says the parts are in stock...

[ChefTyler]

Calmini rarely updates their website, especially for stock numbers.

[tbecktold]

Jake at Calmini says that the spring hanger and bell shackle kit are in stock, and I (in eastern OR) can expect delivery via UPS ground in 8-15 business days at $30 shipping. That's a LOT more reasonable than I expected, hopefully he's not blowing smoke up my ass!

[DamnHippie]

I think 8-15 is codespeak for you'll get them some day. Businesses have UPS zone charts that tell them how long it'll take to get a ground shipment somewhere, and no zone has 2-week wiggle time like that. If I sound extra cynical it's only based on my past experiences with Calmini, I think what you were told is, essentially, "we'll bill your card today, and build and ship the parts when we damn well feel like it."

[itsme1738]

well i paid cash and only half....400.00

[tbecktold]

I know, they make me nervous. They promised they had them in stock, and I'm only paying $30 in shipping so that's not a huge deal. I can't work on the truck until after the middle of September anyway, so they do have some room there. After that though, and they will get LOTS of calls from me, if it takes it I might do some Pirate action and start calling their home phones etc.

[Packman5280]

when i ordered my SAS stuff it came within 8 days. i think 8-14 gives them time to pack it and maybe group pickups from the shipper so they save a few bucks. either way, i wouldn't worry about it till you have to, even though they sometimes have issues, they do get it right pretty often.

[Bill Potter]

I was told 8-10 days (the web site said "in stock shipping daily") when I ordered mine December 18th. 14 days later when I called they still said 8-10 days....called twice more....same story.

I finally got my shipment around Febuary 5th they did not charge my credit card until the parts shipped. Good luck!!!

[Alpine Spirit]

I was told 8-10 days (the web site said "in stock shipping daily") when I ordered mine December 18th. 14 days later when I called they still said 8-10 days....called twice more....same story.

I finally got my shipment around Febuary 5th they did not charge my credit card until the parts shipped. Good luck!!!

This is a pretty typical story.... you just need to ask them to check stock because of the stories you have heard and then ussually they actually check and you get the real story.

[cameron_garrison]

the stuff ive ordered from them ive went through 4x4 shops and calmini always tells the real story to them something to think about

[Alpine Spirit]

the stuff ive ordered from them ive went through 4x4 shops and calmini always tells the real story to them something to think about

Yep.... I went thru All Phase for some of my stuff.

[tbecktold]

Calmini's website ALWAYS says "in stock shipping daily". I had the guy to check to make sure they were in stock (along with a set of swaybars for an Isuzu pickup, that I didn't buy...yet) and they were, so I ordered.

I'd like it if they charged my credit card now though, before I spend MORE money I don't have:rolleyes:

[itsme1738]

ok stopped by high country jason told me he talked to them
they said that they are in stock 1-1.5 weeks out than 1 week
ground shipping soooo 3 weeks or so....i can only hope

[itsme1738]

the instructions for the bell shackles are less
than desired:(

[Ryan Gee]

Those are no problem.. We need to have a little mod party!

The nice thing about the bell shackes and front crossmember are you can mount them up and still drive around on your IFS.

Clay you have those springs handy? They will be needed for this...

[itsme1738]

instructions are just half ass just never seen 1 up close
i talked allen at his shop he said the same thing
install all hangers + crossmembers way before u drop the IFS
then u are that much ahead of the game:bannana:
and yes id love to have a party



FYI i can weld but my 220 welder yust took a crap
on me and my mig only does 3/16...no torch
my work has all of these (except the mig)
bot gotta be outa there in a day
jeff

[Ryan Gee]

Here are a few a my HB pics.... Clicky (http://www.nissansas.com/rigs/ryan/hb/frontaxle/sas.htm)

The plasma can cut the holes in your frame in about 10 minutes. I wish I had it for my HB when it was done.

[itsme1738]

clays dad offered me his plazma but ive never used 1 before
i have a compressior so thats all i need havent decieded where to
do it at yet....my house or work.....jeff

[ChefTyler]

Plasmas are very easy to use, it takes a few passes to figure it out :D

I would be a little weary of trying to use Clay's dad's plasma to cut the holes in the frame, it really should be a 220 for it to be done cleanly.

[itsme1738]

anybody got a length of the brake lines
i should get?:rolleyes:

[Bill Potter]

anybody got a length of the brake lines
i should get?:rolleyes:

24 inches or longer....If I were to do it again I would reflair the hard lines with jeep ends (easier to find replacements near the trail). Also ACE hardware sells springs that work great to keep the lines away from the tires.

[NissanNut]

anybody got a length of the brake lines
i should get?:rolleyes:

See page 2.

http://www.roninwheelers.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1157&page=2

[tbecktold]

Use those ones Barry used, I ordered the same ones and they are NICE!

Have you gotten your stuff from Calmini yet? They've charged my card but didn't send me shipping info, was just wondering how you were doing with them so far.

[itsme1738]

told me last thursday 1-15 till ships......then 1 week ground
i told them ill call them in 2 weeks to check up on them

[itsme1738]

:rolleyes: waiting:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Ryan Gee]

The key is not to get your hopes up....

Did you order the axle parts... you could get going on that. Have that sucka built with gears, steering arms, etc...

Locate some 4.90's for the rear, get axle together, Lockers?. Allen is looking for sidework...

[itsme1738]

u got the axle......how much

[Ryan Gee]

PM

[itsme1738]

ok got it .........tag

[itsme1738]

should i do the chevy master now or should i just wait?

[Packman5280]

my brakes work great with a stock MC. can't quite lock up the 35's, but very close. one pump on the pedal would probably be enough to lock em, just never tried that hard. it stops fine with the stock MC, in fact i would say my brake pedal, pressing it all the way to hold it on a hill, is less than an inch lower than it was stock. it is just a little bit harder to use all three pedals at once.

[Nissanclay]

should i do the chevy master now or should i just wait?

With how easy it is, you might as well just do it. Get chrome like me! :crazy:

[itsme1738]

no chrome clay

[Ryan Gee]

Was lookin at your list of parts and the wheels said they could wait, they can't. Your factory wheels will not work with the D44 Calipers. They hit the inside of the wheel.

[Bill Potter]

Was lookin at your list of parts and the wheels said they could wait, they can't. Your factory wheels will not work with the D44 Calipers. They hit the inside of the wheel.

A cheap way out is to pickup 4 of the chrome waggy wheels from sidewinders and if you dont like chrome paint them black. They have a little less offset then the stockers but work well.

I use one for my spare, its on the front in this picture...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t293/broncb2b/IMAGE_000191.jpg

[Bill Potter]

Here is what I used and would match to the pathy...Are you doing spring over or under?

:twocents: Front Springs. (I think these may be 1 inch shorter then the waggy springs) Get your springs and measure before welding on the front spring hanger. That way you can have the correct bell shackle angle. Stock waggy springs are 280lbs/inch, Ranchos are 300lbs/inch, these are 220 lbs/inch.

http://allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=47

-- Long Travel Front Springs
4" Front Long Travel Leaf Springs $199/pr ON SALE! (Reg. $269/pr)
3103LT-AP-PR CLICK HERE TO BUY NOW!

:twocents: steering

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dana-44-Flat-Top-Knuckles-Cross-Over-High-Steer-Arms_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42609QQihZ017QQite mZ270125559747QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

I also bought ball joints, tie rod ends, extended bolts and spacers from them.

:twocents: The Tie rod, drag link, and weld inserts were purchased from Spider Trax in longmont. (spring under you will not need these)

http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.1275/.f
http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.26/.f

:twocents: Front shock hoops and axle mounts...

http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.120/.f

The shock tower is a ford part that you can get from any ford dealer (i did). Spidertrax was out and gave me the ford part number.

:twocents: shocks

I Got the fronts from spidertrax but they don't carry the ones I used any more. I'm getting different (longer ones) anyway. Best to buy them after you cycle the setup and measue the compressed/extended travel.

:twocents: brake lines

Listen to Nissan Nut

[itsme1738]

clay has a set of wheels+tires from his frontier
will they work?.......caus im just about to buy them
15x7....33x12.5

[Bill Potter]

clay has a set of wheels+tires from his frontier
will they work?.......caus im just about to buy them
15x7....33x12.5

Stockers? Ian's would not fit mine...but I don't think they were stockers.

[Nissanclay]

Not stockers. I just finally got on my 35's so I've been driving with the 33's for the last week and they fit fine.

[itsme1738]

clay.....what are your wheel spacing

[Nissanclay]

Ha.... uh, yeah, whatever discount tire put on that fit

[Ryan Gee]

His old black steelies look like 3.75 bs. Which would work fine...

[itsme1738]

clay?empty truck bed?
its ok i dont have the parts yet

[Nissanclay]

Damn! Damn! Damn! I completely forgot to put the springs back there again! If your free tomorrow I'm going to be at my parents in the AM probably about 9:30, I swing them by your house (if I remember). I know you don't have the parts but I'm trying to make room at my house for the front diff and everything else thats still at my parents.

[itsme1738]

ok come on by not too early oh while your at it load your tires+wheels+
bring them over.....sold

[Nissanclay]

Damn it! I just unloaded them this morning......... Geeze, making me do some heavy lifting. :)

[itsme1738]

bring em over

[itsme1738]

got tires+wheels:bannana: and springs





clay whay year are those? so i can order bushings

[Nissanclay]

from an 85 grand waggy

[itsme1738]

cool got it

[itsme1738]

they called calmini and they tracked it.....
they SAID it will be here tomorow......wow
should i hold my breath?....we will see:o

[Bill Potter]

they called calmini and they tracked it.....
they SAID it will be here tomorow......wow
should i hold my breath?....we will see:o

Tracking is good...that means it has shipped....UPS/Fed Ex rarely take more then a few days.

Did they give up a tracking number?

[itsme1738]

no they did not

[itsme1738]

allen how fast can u go with 488s
just wunderin dd u know?

[CurleyMan]

i would go with 5.13's for a 35 inch tire and 5.38's with a 37 inch and taller tire. i don't have enough space to tell you how important it is to pick the right gear ratio.... go tall cause you can always run bigger tires

[itsme1738]

ill be runnin 33 to start

[itsme1738]

clays old tires +rims

[itsme1738]

but can you still do highway speeds?....dd you know

[Bill Potter]

V-6 right? Auto or Manual?

I can drive my manual V-6 with 37's and 4.88's in 5th gear on I-25 at 75 (82-83 actual) on the speedo. (only downshifting for the big hills)

Climbing out of Denver on I-70 it will hold 60 (speedo) in third at about 4000 rpm's. It would go faster But I back out of it a bit. There is no way it would climb the hill in 4th.

If you are buying new gears for $450 go as deep as you can. If you find a 4.90 set for 75 bucks like I did jump on it.

[tbecktold]

Did you get an email itsme? I received an email right after Calmini billed my card with a tracking link, and I too am supposed to receive my hanger and shackles tomorrow.

As far as gearing, how much do you want to spend? If you're buying new gears for the rearend, go 5.14. If you want to buy used, 4.56s in the front will be fine for 33s, or 4.88s would be fine too. Personally, I'm going with whatever I can find cheap, I might even keep the 4.38s in the rear axle and run 4.27s in the front, just to save the gears/labor charge of regearing at this point in time.

[Packman5280]

i run 4.90's with 35's and it goes ok. basically the same as broncb2b said, my rear gears were $8 so that made my gears an easy decision.

[tbecktold]

I still dream about getting a deal like that. I may have found some for $200 which isn't anywhere close to that amazing deal you got, but a lot better than $350 which was the cheapest price I found on car-part.

[tbecktold]

itsme I was just on car-part and it says there's a 4.9 diff at Adopt A Part in Denver, for $250. Not a bad price and you save on shipping!

[itsme1738]

got em from calmini:bannana: :bannana: :bannana:
2 weeks not bad....now comes the work!
allen? ryan? whats next?.....need my axle next
need to do a mod day with spring hangers
then my rear bars....ryan again?
let me know...im in no hurry
jeff

[Nissanclay]

let me know...im in no hurry


Liar

[itsme1738]

ok i lied i have this month then oct is 7 12s night shift
(no work gona happen there)........sooo.....

[itsme1738]

gears for my diffs? anyone :D

[itsme1738]

probably will put in the crossmembers this weekend
if moma gives me the time

[itsme1738]

not ! i guess i didnt look at it close enough

[itsme1738]

gears? bump

[itsme1738]

will it work? http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/418041389.html

[itsme1738]

or this? mailto:sale-411032842@craigslist.org?subject=Full%20Floating%2 0Dana%2070%20Great%20for%204%20wheeler%20-%20$300

[CurleyMan]

what are you looking for? Are you looking at the leaf spring kit? That is probably the only thing you could use from that craigs list add. If your trying to find a budget kit use the front leaf springs from the jeep wagoneer you pull your axle from. As far as the rear axle keep the nissan three link, move the link mounts, and put some rusty's offroad xj coils under it. You will have rear steer but it is the cheapest possible way you can build it. The king and Bodyman have alot of experiance with thease mods. When your rear axle flex's out you will have some rear steer but well ya get what you pay for...

[CurleyMan]

I would recommend having Alcan build the front leafs and using the T&T customs 4 link setup in the rear. You would be adding atleast 1800 bucks to the price of your sas but this would be a nice setup. At this point it may benifit you the most to concentrate on your axles. It is much easier to work on them before they are attached to the truck....

[Alpine Spirit]

OK how bout an update....

What axles are you going to use... Front? Rear?

What diff gearing are you looking to use?

Calmini kit I am assuming your are looking to use the front crossmember HB kit?

[itsme1738]

d44 front....488---513 gears yes calmini crossovers
it will be a while ryan is busy this month and im doin
7-13 nightshift in oct....im just workin on all the small
stuff allen c is workin my axle we will see

[Ryan Gee]

I have an xtra 233a here if you want it.. I'll drop it where ever. It is a leaf spring unit... so if you decide the go that route it is ready to go.

Where do you want the front axle... does Al need it?

What other parts you looking for?

[itsme1738]

ryan are u talkin about leaf sprung rear axle ?:rolleyes:

[loren]

uhoh, look out, the gears in Ryans head are spinning again!!:eek:

[Packman5280]

woulda been so much easier for me to go leaf in the rear, wish i would have, a little.

[CurleyMan]

I will be selling my front and rear axle pretty soon here yukon 5.13's with arb's front and rear... The front is already clocked 14 degrees the rear is disc brake. Good axles professionally set up broken in with dyno oil and run with royal purple synthetic. Only a year old with around 10,000 miles on the bearings, gears, ect....

[Ryan Gee]

ryan are u talkin about leaf sprung rear axle ?:rolleyes:

No I was thinking you could use the guts out of it.

[itsme1738]

or what about rear leafs?
ever think about goin that way?:rolleyes:

[Ryan Gee]

Rear leafs would be easier. Just have to find the ones that lift your rig the same on both ends. If you are thinking that... a rear axle out of a waggy may be a better choice or just buy Ben's setup.

[itsme1738]

ben what is the rear axle set up for
suspension wise?:torch: :weld: :saw: :cut: :grind: :wrench:

[Ryan Gee]

His is leaf (setup for our frame width) with disks, ARB locker, and 5.13's.

[itsme1738]

ryan what would you use for the leaf springs mounts?
another set of calmini mounts? or somthing custom?

[itsme1738]

sorrry i never took notice to bens setup

[itsme1738]

wonder what he wants for it?

[Ryan Gee]

There is a plethora of options. The economical way would be to cut the mounts off my parts truck. Heck for that matter you can have the leaf springs too.

[itsme1738]

wow this is sounding good
im getin some good ideas hhmmm?
we will see...:bannana:

[itsme1738]

would your leafs match the waggys i got?

[Ryan Gee]

Probably not. A guy would have to fiddle with it a bit to see what would work.

[itsme1738]

these nights are killin me
and im gettin nothing done!

[tbecktold]

I hear ya! I bought some Ubolts and some new leaf pins for the Waggy springs today, I need to take the pins out of the extra HB pack I have so I can take them in and find some new longer ones. For some reason the local Napa has no way to just look those things up...weird but then I guess they don't have a lot of need for HB rear spring pack pins in this town either

[NissanNut]

I hear ya! I bought some Ubolts and some new leaf pins for the Waggy springs today, I need to take the pins out of the extra HB pack I have so I can take them in and find some new longer ones. For some reason the local Napa has no way to just look those things up...weird but then I guess they don't have a lot of need for HB rear spring pack pins in this town either

I used to buy spring pins from foothill or 4wheel parts. But they strip out often. But Now I make my own from old nissan bolts. I round out the head on a grinder. Never had one wear out yet.

[markrobinson]

Yeah, they're pretty much there to align the springs anyway. Once they're bolted down to the axle they ain't going no where. Rounding 1/4 or 5/16 (can't recall) works well.

[itsme1738]

if they came off your old truck then would they fit?

[itsme1738]

ryan...your springs could we make up shackles?
do u have pics of your old set up?....still doin nights
except for tonight but in headed 4 bed
let me know

[Ryan Gee]

My old setup was with coils.

If you are going leaf in the rear, I think your best bet would be a set of waggy rears to match the fronts you would be using.

Off working right now will need to dig around for pics when I get home.

[itsme1738]

sorry i thought u had a rear axle set up with leafs
all ready done...but ok cool

[itsme1738]

ok got the brake lines today (thanks barry)
ordered the shock hoops sunday front range fab.
gettin them any day know......talking with alen over gears
soon....soon now steering...

[NissanNut]

Your welcome.

I am real happy with my steering. The inverted Y has an excellent feel. Much better than my SOA hi steer. I drove both today and I really dont care for the high steer.

I had to replace one of original TREs. I actually bent one.:eek:

Here is my steering page for some ideas.

http://nissannut.com/projects/DOM_Steering_SAS

[itsme1738]

i notice sua im going soa....will it still work?
oh ill send u them tail lights i just havent goten around
to it yet

[tbecktold]

He lists one "system" I guess I'll call it, saying it fits with the lift of Calmini's coilover kit, Calmini's SUA, and a custom 3-link setup. Then lists another set for the high steer. I'm sure he has or can get pictures of all 4 setups, all those vehicles belong to guys in TX.

Are you going to do a cost breakdown for this Barry?

itsme, be sure to have plenty of parts collected before the SAS. I didn't and am now regretting starting when I did due to lack of funds now, I kinda got myself in over my head but it's all good I guess.

[itsme1738]

im real close...get gears alen put them axle steering...
rear susp. thinking leafs...which i have

[NissanNut]

i notice sua im going soa....will it still work?
oh ill send u them tail lights i just havent goten around
to it yet

That page should have SUA and SOA steering info. Ill update it.

[NissanNut]

He lists one "system" I guess I'll call it, saying it fits with the lift of Calmini's coilover kit, Calmini's SUA, and a custom 3-link setup. Then lists another set for the high steer. I'm sure he has or can get pictures of all 4 setups, all those vehicles belong to guys in TX.

Are you going to do a cost breakdown for this Barry?


I have excel spreadsheets for all 3. I do those before I start. I just never posted the 3link yet. I need to update the 3 link page. Lots of new pictures to add.

[itsme1738]

thanks barry ;) ....ill read them when u post them :bannana:

[itsme1738]

shock hoops are A no go...front range no longer
makes the adjustable hoops...all they have is
16 inch welded hoops and they are too tall
im thinking 12 inch is more like it. Talked to ryan
and he said he will just make em...cool


keepin the thread goin!!:D

[tbecktold]

Probably a good idea. I bought the Trail Gear ones and will need to chop a lot of inner fender to make them work, and they're the 12"ers to boot!

What parts do you have compiled so far?

[itsme1738]

almost there...check my post...i need shock hoops
(ryan will make) shocks...gears (allen)....front drive shaft....
ill get that made....(i got a hook up)...front range driveline
need to figure out rear leaf springs.....ryan...again...and?
if i want to change from a h233 to a d44 for the rear
h233 gears 500.00.......d44 140 or so...hhhmmmm?
anyone?....anyone???? buller...buller?kind of stuck on
the rear axle thing...i could buy a rear axle +gears for cheaper
than just regearing the 233......soooo......what should i do?:confused:

[itsme1738]

jease did i just say it????...ryan.....allen.....hippie?

[Bill Potter]

If you can't locate a cheap set of 4.90's for the 233...go with something else that you can get cheap gears for. Maybe a 44, Ben does alot with his....or a 9" like Allen. Spending $450 for a set of 233's just isn't worth it.

But what do I know....Bill

[NissanNut]

I agree with Bill. If you can live with used 4.9s then go that route and find some cheap discs. If you want 5.13 or lower get the honda/izisu dana 44 with discs. I almost went that route. I got pathy discs (cables etc), 4.9s, lsd and a spare driveshaft for $250. The 4.9s were like brand new from a 2003 X. I like using stock oem parts as much as possible.

[itsme1738]

im thinking d44 for the rear.....
cheaper gears....locker avability..parts...ect
goat weld spring perches on the 233 anyway
why nod s d44?.....man i hope i can do this in a weekend...dd
ryan what did u say u had for leafs in the rear?

[tbecktold]

if I was to swap a 44 in the rear of my truck (I keep changing my mind on whether or not to), I'd use one out of an Isuzu Rodeo. They come with disc brakes and all, and either 4.3 or 4.56 gears I think.

[hr220a]

That's what I'm doing too. I got a 95 Rodeo D44 rear complete with disc brakes for $200. Welded the spider (so I can swap it for a lunchbox locker if I want), got some 5.38s, new brake pads, and a rebuild. Cost me less than $400 total. AND I get to sell the stock axle so I'll recoup some of that. Putting the axles in next week.

[itsme1738]

thinkin goin with waggy d44 to match the front ....
and ease of parts gettin

[Bill Potter]

A rodeo axle will come with disk brakes but will require wheel spacers. A waggy axle will have drum brakes but should be closer to the correct width.

If I remember right your pathy has Disks now...you will not like the drums.

Ask Ben what kind of wheel spacers he used.

I wonder if the rodeo disks could be adapted to the waggy axle?

[itsme1738]

hhhnnnmmmmmmm!????

[Ryan Gee]

Nope.. other than the carrier, completely different.

My rig has a rear waggy 44 with disks... it gets expensive in a hurry!

You can get chromos for the waggy rear... not for the Isuzu or the 233b.

The Nissan 33 spline has the same size shafts as the 30 spline D44.

The Nissan 31 spline has smaller shafts and is starting to be known for twisting and breaking them.

The D44 can be upgraded in every way... shafts, gears, brakes, lockers, bearings, etc....

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The Ford 9 can be upgraded in every way too... and can be way better than both the axles above. However find one with 31 splines that is 60 wide...

[pathmaker1]

well i have a 92 pathy and i got drums in the rear. i think he has drums in the rear too unless the 2 door came with disks and the 4 door with drums.

[itsme1738]

disk in the rear...came that stock...i think it was
an option.it has euerything u could get in 88 except
power seats:bannana:

[pathmaker1]

hmmmm i also have the fully loaded pathy sport package (92) but i do have drums in the rear. i wonder if its due to the fact i have a 4dr and the extra weight and such.....interesting. and drums arent all bad untill some jerkoff cuts you off and slams on the brakes then the pathy doesnt like stoppin too much
Rich

[itsme1738]

4 wheel disk is the stuff

[pathmaker1]

yea they are...im just tryin to convince myself otherwise.............

[NissanNut]

well i have a 92 pathy and i got drums in the rear. i think he has drums in the rear too unless the 2 door came with disks and the 4 door with drums.

Discs were optional on all 87-95 wd21s Autos.

I upgraded both of mine to discs.

[itsme1738]

i like my disks

[itsme1738]

this was my dad truck....it was a demo for that year
he got it with 5.000 miles.....only 80.000 now
has been garaged since new....untill i got it
now no garage...just outside....sorry dad
my dad passed away and gave it to me
now ill make him proud of his pathy....soon
he called it his jeep....soon to be better than
a jeep...we will see......

[itsme1738]

ok got everything for the front
now...the rear....