what brand hubs you got?

[pathmaker1]

im tryin to find the best hubs for me 92 pathy SE-V6 4dr 28 spline axle. money isnt the issue but i dont like to spend it uselessly. on 4wheelparts(dot)com i found mile markers for $91, Superwinch for $136 and Warn for $173. all have free shipping with order. just tryin to figure out what is the best bang for the buck now. i dont want to go "cheap" because of the importance of this part but if mile marker is comparable if not equal to warn then why waist the $$. shoot i could have 2 pair of hubs from MM for almost the price of 1 pair of warn!
Thanks
Rich

[Reserector]

M-M came on my truck when I bought it. They used to loosen up often until I put grade 12.9 bolts in them. I bought The King's (used) Superwinch hubs when he SASed as spares, but the M-Ms are still going strong.

[pathmaker1]

ok a lil confused too. i have seen 28 spline AND 31 spline hubs for sale that claim to fit 87-95 pathy.......i dont think thats right. i think i have 28 spline and the post '95 pathys have the 31 right? summit is advertising a 31 spline SW hub for 87-93 V6 pathys......can someone please confirm this for me! i am 99.9999999999% sure the 92 has a 28 spline but was it offered with any other spline count dependin on option package? i guess the only 100% sure way to confirm my truck is pull the hub and count the splines....ugh its nasty outside, rain/snow/sleet and dark and COLD and i wana order em tomorrow so they will be here before i go on a run in 2 weeks.
Rich

[Nissanclay]

Warn premium but they are on my D44 axle, not the factory.

[CurleyMan]

28 splines on the outers while there are 31 splines on the inner side of the axle shaft/cv. Our dana 44's have 19 splines on the outer shaft and 30 on the inner. I'd go with Warn the only brand that is better (my Opinion) is the Toyota Aisin but they won't work so..

[csutke]

go with warn, that price seams really high for those, i got mine for 120. but heres a site that has a bunch of different brands:
http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/browse&category_id=db2ab4d1e5a3c3abb44567d2213d0181&ps_session=a306e0c210b2c174fc4da372af7bfe9e

they all so have them on amazon but you have to have the part number when looking there

[ChefTyler]

Warn premium but they are on my D44 axle, not the factory.

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[Sully4x4]

stock because.....well...money is an issue for me. But my auto-locking hubs work great for me, so no need to upgrade.

[Packman5280]

for yer pathy, stock manual hubs are the strongest, but the warn premiums are the next best. of course, i run standard warns on my 44, but i don't wheel so it's cool.

[punkrockdrummerx]

has anyone heard of AVM or AVN I can't remember which, but they are supposed to be really good and better than warns from what some people say, and cheaper also.

[CurleyMan]

has anyone heard of AVM or AVN I can't remember which, but they are supposed to be really good and better than warns from what some people say, and cheaper also.

This is very possible I have not heard of this brand before. The one downside is that parts could be difficult to find if you are out of town. Warn's are at almost every part store if they break for some reason. I have yet to blow a hub but it will happen someday i'm sure..

[itsme1738]

i too am stock but......
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[Ryan Gee]

I think the spline change was in 1990.

[pathmaker1]

packman pathys came with STOCK manual lockin hubs? never seen em before. also if they did assumin the only place to get em is dealer? thats gonna be expensive

[Packman5280]

yes. they are rare, and maybe only for 27 spline, i don't remember. i had a set, but they were 27 and i needed 28, got rid of them long ago. they may be those avn, or maybe aisin, or something to that effect.

[CurleyMan]

My truck had manual hubs I never knew that was an oddity with nissans..

[cuong nguyen]

These manual locking hubs are relatively rare since it was a dealer installed item like that of the winches you rarely see. Also, they're AVM. Aisins are ones for the Yotas.

I googled and found some info.

http://www.amazon.com/AVM-15001-45-Locking-Nissan-Pickup/dp/B000FQ7IUO

they can be found on patrols, hbs, and pathies.

I'm amazed they still sell them.

[Packman5280]

thanks cuong, i couldn't remember which was which.

[DamnHippie]

I just noticed the topic includes "and what would you never buy". Never is term I don't use lightly, but I'd be very reluctant to buy any manual locking hub. The stock auto hubs totally rule, and I just don't understand why some people insist on claiming they're weak. Not many people wheel IFS harder than I do, and I've broken 3 CV shafts and had no problems with the hubs at all. (Hell, I kinda wish the hubs would break instead of the CVs -- they're easier to replace!)

After 4 years of hard wheeling on the original hubs, I've finally replaced one. It still worked, but I was starting to get some vibration in 4wd in the snow, and I think it was the passenger side hub beginning to wear out. I swapped in a spare and the vibes are gone.

[Reserector]

How do you suppose a hub could cause a vibration? I am not disagreeing, just curious.

[pathmaker1]

from what i was told the auto hubs will disenguage with direction change....so if you are tryin to rock yourself out your auto hubs will constantly disenguage and reenguage per 1 tire revolution makin it hard to get out of where you dont wana be. with manuals they are locked untill you get outta the truck and unlock em. thats my understanding and i like manual things better....less of the vehicle controlling you and more of you controlling the vehicle.
and i wonder if those AVM hubs are stronger/better than WARN's?? there cheaper in price.
oh and i did go with warn premium from advanced. found them on amazon for $140 and figured id give advanced a try and the manager matched the price. they wanted almost $200 for em but i got em for $140 and didnt have to wait for shipping :). FYI.....ADVANCED auto will match MOST advertised prices....i didnt know that
Rich

[ChefTyler]

from what i was told the auto hubs will disenguage with direction change....so if you are tryin to rock yourself out your auto hubs will constantly disenguage and reenguage per 1 tire revolution makin it hard to get out of where you dont wana be. with manuals they are locked untill you get outta the truck and unlock em. thats my understanding and i like manual things better....less of the vehicle controlling you and more of you controlling the vehicle.
and i wonder if those AVM hubs are stronger/better than WARN's?? there cheaper in price.
oh and i did go with warn premium from advanced. found them on amazon for $140 and figured id give advanced a try and the manager matched the price. they wanted almost $200 for em but i got em for $140 and didnt have to wait for shipping :). FYI.....ADVANCED auto will match MOST advertised prices....i didnt know that
Rich

So, there's no such thing as 4wd in reverse?

[pathmaker1]

no what im tryin to say is that when you switch from foward to reverse the auto hubs will disenguage momentarily(i believe 1 tire rev) and then reengage and then from reverse to foward will do the same. make sense? basically auto hubs will disengauge momentarily when you change direction of travel so when you switch into reverse from foward movement you are in 2wd for about 1 tire rev and then the hubs will enguage putting you back in 4wd and vice versa making "rocking out" harder esp for inexperienced people. i dont know if i am explainin it clearly. that was my understanding but if im wrong please correct me

[Sully4x4]

I am gonna have to disagree with you, I got stuck mudding in April. 4-lo all 4 tires kept on spinning. I could tell since the damn lake I tried to go through kept spitting up water at me gunning it forwards and backwards. So from my experience, they do not disengage unless I tell it to <_<

[ChefTyler]

no what im tryin to say is that when you switch from foward to reverse the auto hubs will disenguage momentarily(i believe 1 tire rev) and then reengage and then from reverse to foward will do the same. make sense? basically auto hubs will disengauge momentarily when you change direction of travel so when you switch into reverse from foward movement you are in 2wd for about 1 tire rev and then the hubs will enguage putting you back in 4wd and vice versa making "rocking out" harder esp for inexperienced people. i dont know if i am explainin it clearly. that was my understanding but if im wrong please correct me

I don't know if you're wrong or not...the way it was always explained to me was that as long as the drive shaft is turning and exerting force on the front diff, then out the CVs to the hubs, that the hubs would stay locked. If you have a lot of play in your drivetrain I could see that causing the hubs to unlock, but I dunno.

[DamnHippie]

How do you suppose a hub could cause a vibration? I am not disagreeing, just curious.

When I took the hub off, I put a couple fingers into the splines inside that engage the shaft and rotated it manually, kinda spun it on my fingers. It was real rough, felt like there was gravel inside, and it made a bit of a grinding noise. I'm not sure what's inside an auto hub (I'm gonna get around to taking that bad one apart to find out), but I'm guessing there's a bearing or bushing involved, and mine finally got real worn out.

Maybe vibration isn't the best term for the symptom I felt when driving in 4wd in the snow. It wasn't like the truck was shaking, there was just a vibrating kind of noise, not completely unlike u-joints going bad (mine are all new, so I knew it wasn't that). When you got on the gas hard it got worse, and let off the pedal and it'd almost disappear. I thought it was a CV going bad until I noticed the thing with the hub.

[DamnHippie]

You can hear the auto hubs click as they change their direction of engagement when you rock back and forth. It's nothing like a full tire rev, it's more like 1/3 of a rev of the shaft -- it happens before the tire moves at all. In practice, unless you're standing next to the hub listening for it, you'd never know it was happening. It certainly doesn't affect your driving or your ability to get unstuck by rocking back and forth (or I'd never make it up Carnage Canyon when it's a river of ice).

[pathmaker1]

yea i was thinkin bout it today....hippie explained it much better than i tried to. i have seen it happen to me the 1 time i got stuck high centered. the back tires would spin for less than a sec before the fronts would enguage.....hard to notice but it does happen with auto hubs......its not to terrible of a thing tho and as hippie shows it doesnt affect him wheelin but it is one of the few reasons i went to manual. also i now have 2 trail spare hubs.....needed spares anyway so why not just but a new set and keep the old ones for spares? and as stated before parts for warn hubs are everywhere so could be fixed easily if need be. well thanks for the poll guys! went with WARN hubs as i said.....about $40 more than MM but they have a lifetime warranty :)

[OFRD_GRL]

I have Aisin hubs.... but umm, I buy toyota :D

[Nissanclay]

I know this is an old post and it might be a little late, but I have a set of Warn Hubs from a mid 90's pathy (don't know exact year) that I am looking to get $60 for. If anyone is looking let me know. :)

[JeffW]

I have Warn premium, but have heard that Superwinch are the best bang for the buck if you havta buy. Superwinch also had the best-rated winches at price point (American made, too!).

[Chaos2084]

I have ran Warn Premium hubs broke them now I have M-M now. Haven't really went wheeling yet but they work so i'm not complaining.

[CurleyMan]

How did you break them. I have broken a chromolly shaft and a stick Dana shaft. The hubs are still in perfect condition.

[itsme1738]

again i have stock autos now but i went with warn premis on the d44
(not installed yet).....for what its worth

[OdiN]

I voted other...mine are Nissan automatic hubs :p

[Chaos2084]

when I broke my cv shaft the outer hub cracked in half only thing I had left was some springs and metal shards lodged inside. Not really sure how it broke that bad kind of crazy.

[JBDevega]

im running some Rugged Ridge hubs, 28 spline. The gear are made to fail before the hub housing does.