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the007forum
03-18-2008, 09:32 PM
Since Im about to fab up some Rock Sliders, i figured i would see what you all think are the best design.

Shrockworks Style
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/sliders2.jpg

4Crawler RockSliderZ
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/Images/nerf_05.jpg

Completly Round tube
http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/94/46/5f12_1.JPG

RockRail Style
http://www.explorer4x4.com/slider/overview_lrg.jpg


Does it really matter that much? the all round are cheaper, but dont seem as strong. I also decided to bolt mine on.
Sully4x4
03-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Dunno much about sliders but I prefer shrock's since they apparently mount to the body mounts and the frame which would seem stronger to me.

EDIT:

Edited to the post below this one....damn pix. I still prefer shrock's since they just catch my eye and seem sturdy anyways.
the007forum
03-18-2008, 09:46 PM
EDITED

Oops. Sorry Sully. i used a bad picture. If i made some shrockworks style they wouldn't mount to the body.
DamnHippie
03-19-2008, 08:05 AM
The rockrail style are the closest to what I prefer, but they seem to be made with 2x4 tube from that picture. I made mine from 2x2 3/16 wall.
Steel_City_X
03-19-2008, 08:31 AM
In hind sight, I would prefer something a little wider than mine. Needs to be wide enough to protect the lower section of the doors.

Wide enough to stand on to get to the roof (if you have one).

Maybe I should be more careful with my passenger side! I've gotten rocks above my sliders twice now and have the damage to show for it.

Todd
woody
03-19-2008, 09:22 AM
I prefer the Shrock style, but then that is what I have mounted. I also have young children that climb in and out of the X so having something for them to stand on to get in helps a lot!
UrbanDuck
03-19-2008, 09:50 AM
The tube-style is easy to fix if you damage a section of the sliders.
Green Machine
03-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Had mine custom made for 300$
I thought a good deal and works great with my body lft.....
Robust57
03-19-2008, 11:38 AM
I like my shrockworks sliders
UrbanDuck
03-19-2008, 11:50 AM
The Shrockworks ones are nice, but in my opinion are too much money- ($430 plus shipping) for something that is designed to take a beating.
Alex Topousis
03-19-2008, 11:55 AM
My complaint with the shrock stuff is that it doesn't stick out far enough(less protection, not a good step rail, etc.). I went the custom route for $200 and would do the same thing if I ever did it again.
xih
03-19-2008, 01:26 PM
I have the 4Crawler ones. They work great for me. I haven't had any problem with anything coming over the sides but on thing I have noticed is that I have bent the underside of them. They are also very stable on a hi-lift.
CurleyMan
03-19-2008, 02:17 PM
Round tube... I made mine with the help of some weirdos in Denver :). I should have used .188 wall tube because I have since dented and bent the hell out of my .120 wall tube... The positive part of custom work Is that I can easily (4hrs $80.00) switch to the thicker stuff.
the007forum
03-19-2008, 02:17 PM
Looks like the majority prefer the Shrock style, Im sure making them yourself would cut the cost considerably

Alex T
Where done you get your work done? Around here my options are to pay up for nice ones or make my own.
soccerbrace
03-19-2008, 02:52 PM
You forgot the custom option

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/soccerbrace/Picture008.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/soccerbrace/Picture009.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/soccerbrace/Picture012.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/soccerbrace/Picture013.jpg

They wrap really closely to the body too.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/soccerbrace/233587470-S.jpg

They are 2"x3" box tubing and .120 DOM steel x 1.75" with center supports
Sully4x4
03-19-2008, 03:04 PM
So when are you making mine James :D
woody
03-19-2008, 03:27 PM
He didn't make them. He had them done by Armology. Turned out real nice too!
Sully4x4
03-19-2008, 04:33 PM
Fine, when are you paying to get mine done for me James :)
woody
03-19-2008, 05:17 PM
Fine, when are you paying to get mine done for me James :)

When he finishes all the projects he has started in his.....I will be retired by then and will check back to see how they are coming along! :roflmao:
bogof
03-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Next mod; Wheelchair lift!
the007forum
03-19-2008, 08:05 PM
dang Soccerbrace! those are nice. If you don't mind me asking, how much? Im probably going to build my own like the shrockwork for cost efficiency..
soccerbrace
03-20-2008, 01:32 AM
ehhhhhhhh.....expensive, more than Shrock. OK $502 bare steel

Told ya. But I like them.

I since my X isn't running up to par, I think I am going to get new 6 x 9"s. Think that will fix it?
OdiN
03-20-2008, 01:48 AM
What you need to do is mount one or two of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvXY-Cgpz68

Make sure to port it so air comes in at the front and goes out at the rear.

Put the car in N and away you go.
Sully4x4
03-20-2008, 01:56 AM
ehhhhhhhh.....expensive, more than Shrock. OK $502 bare steel

Told ya. But I like them.

I since my X isn't running up to par, I think I am going to get new 6 x 9"s. Think that will fix it?

Didn't you say custom? 502$ to me isn't custom!:eek:
woody
03-20-2008, 09:41 AM
Ok. So $502 for someone local to build them. $399 from Shrock, but you haven't added in the shipping cost from Shrock either. When I compared the price of the 2, it was cheaper to get them from Armorology, but they are not powder coated.

James - I have a hook-up for powder coating when you are ready, if you are going that route with yours.
Alex Topousis
03-20-2008, 09:47 AM
Looks like the majority prefer the Shrock style, Im sure making them yourself would cut the cost considerably

Alex T
Where done you get your work done? Around here my options are to pay up for nice ones or make my own.

An xterra guy from Minnesota did mine. I could email him and see if he'll still do it though. He only charged me $200 but that was like 4 years ago
the007forum
03-20-2008, 02:28 PM
Thats not a bad price for the quality of those things. Im just going to go make my own . I wish there was somebody nearby with experience though.
l1r
03-22-2008, 06:40 PM
I want to make mine too. We can get together and work on them. I'm sure making two sets at once will take a whole lot less time than making two sets separately.
Let me know!
ChefTyler
03-22-2008, 11:31 PM
Thats not a bad price for the quality of those things. Im just going to go make my own . I wish there was somebody nearby with experience though.

Go on Colorado 4x4 and make friends with Steve...he lives in GJ and fabs like a man possessed...him and Clint both.
the007forum
03-23-2008, 02:49 AM
I want to make mine too. We can get together and work on them. I'm sure making two sets at once will take a whole lot less time than making two sets separately.
Let me know!

I really wanna join some events with you guys!! but check my location. that would be a long drive.
the007forum
03-23-2008, 02:49 AM
Go on Colorado 4x4 and make friends with Steve...he lives in GJ and fabs like a man possessed...him and Clint both.

thanks. im a member there but don't post at all.ill check him out!
itsme1738
03-23-2008, 09:38 AM
i made mine and my bumper....50 bucks for the steel
for the bumper....slider steel for free....sliders are
2 1/2 x 2 1/2 ....1/4 wall...bolted to the frame:bannana:
oh and painted bed liner black
l1r
03-25-2008, 04:18 PM
i made mine and my bumper....50 bucks for the steel
for the bumper....slider steel for free....sliders are
2 1/2 x 2 1/2 ....1/4 wall...bolted to the frame:bannana:
oh and painted bed liner black

Where did you get steel?
itsme1738
03-25-2008, 06:17 PM
from the place i work i got this steel from a jobsite
im a crane operator and they were going to throw away
this whole pallet of steel so i told them to put it in my company
truck and they did.....and sorry none left bill took about the
last of it.....1- 6 foot piece left jeff
l1r
03-25-2008, 06:49 PM
Oh... I work in construction company. Never thought about it, but I'll ask them to keep an eye on leftover pieces for me from now on. Thanks!
What kind did you use (thickness, diameter wise, etc.)
itsme1738
03-26-2008, 05:34 AM
2 1/2 x 2 1/2 1/4 wall heavy but stout
DamnHippie
03-26-2008, 07:26 AM
1/4 wall is really too heavy for sliders. Martin used 2x3 1/4 wall and ended up with 150 lbs of deadweight that has to be hauled up the mountain on every wheeling trip. He's gonna rebuild them with 2x2 3/16 wall soon. That's what mine are, and they weigh 70lbs for the pair.

Here's a good place to get steel, both salvage and new: http://www.kksurplus.com/
l1r
03-26-2008, 09:47 AM
1/4 wall is really too heavy for sliders. Martin used 2x3 1/4 wall and ended up with 150 lbs of deadweight that has to be hauled up the mountain on every wheeling trip. He's gonna rebuild them with 2x2 3/16 wall soon. That's what mine are, and they weigh 70lbs for the pair.

Here's a good place to get steel, both salvage and new: http://www.kksurplus.com/

Would it be stronger if it's square (rectangle) or round?
OdiN
03-26-2008, 09:59 AM
Would it be stronger if it's square (rectangle) or round?

I'm no structural engineer, but I would think that round would be stronger and able to distribute force more evenly.
l1r
03-26-2008, 10:15 AM
Yeah, but on the other hand square would have corners and that also seems to add to the strength...
I guess I'll go by the looks. I think round ones look better, so I'll be looking for 2" diameter 3/16 thick pipe :) Home Depot might have those :P
Packman5280
03-26-2008, 10:19 AM
for that much steel, you'll pay a lot more at the depot than from a steel yard. especially since you can get scrap that is maybe a little rusty for a lot cheaper. i usually go to atlas steel downtown or k&k surplus as mentioned above.
l1r
03-26-2008, 10:34 AM
What do they charge at steel yards on average? I thought they sold it by pound, which, if I'm buying 50# of steel might add up. I guess depends on how much they charge per pound too...
Packman5280
03-26-2008, 10:52 AM
it varies, depending what the market price is, but scrap will always be cheaper than new.
Sully4x4
03-26-2008, 11:20 AM
Ah, so that's why you were saying my bumpers wouldn't be expensive...gotcha ;)
UrbanDuck
03-26-2008, 12:22 PM
What do they charge at steel yards on average? I thought they sold it by pound, which, if I'm buying 50# of steel might add up. I guess depends on how much they charge per pound too...

Its usually around 30 cents per pound- minimum of 20$ for scrap,
DamnHippie
03-26-2008, 01:11 PM
K & K generally charges 40-50 cents a pound for mild steel scrap, depending on its condition and whatnot. Their new steel prices aren't bad either. I paid about $70 for new 2x2 3/16 tube (13 feet of it, I think).
UrbanDuck
03-26-2008, 01:23 PM
When I went to K&K, they gave me a discount for paying in cash, and they are really friendly.
DamnHippie
03-27-2008, 07:38 AM
Heh, yeah, Hart does like doing cash business, I always make sure I have some twenties in my wallet when I go there (because I always buy something there if if it's not what I went to look for).