Freeze your balljoints off 2008

[bogof]

It's time for another Ronin winter run.

Slaughterhouse Gulch
January 4th
meeting place @ 10 Loaf and Jug in Bailey
FRS 1-4
CB 14
Bring a lunch
as always pack out your trash, and try to pick up any trash you see.

So far this is the possible turnout.
Me
Allen
Odin
No Pipie
Packman
Ditchfinder
Mr Tinkle
Soccerbrace
Steeze
sully4x4
Jeffw
Kari
Kari's friend
Anyone else let me know.

Here's a link to directions. Just type in your address.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS237US238&q=Denver%20to%20Highland%20Park%2C%20Park%2C%20Col orado%2080421&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[Allen Cox]

You know, I haven't been to any of those on a long time. I'm open for a January run. I'll have to get the rig on the road and wear all of my coats. :D

[Bill Potter]

I ran Eagle Rock today with a group of jeeps...I had both lockers on most of the day and there were many places it took 2-4 trys to get up.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=137339

In January....I wouldn't think it would be doable for anyone without a locker. But I have no idea if it stays snowed in or not.

[Alpine Spirit]

Yeah Eagle Rock will be shut down before to long depending upon the snow that falls there.

[Nissanclay]

Toss out some ideas and I will put them in this post. We need another tradition.

Maybe something around Durango? Wink Wink....... :rolleyes:

Post a date and i'll see what I can do. If there is enough time I can prolly get the time off.

[Sully4x4]

I'd love to. I am going on semester break here soon, so between about December 9th through about January 20th would work for me with enough plans ahead of time. I don't have lockers, or even a LSD, so if you more experienced guys think I wouldn't be able to make it on, per-say, China Wall, lemme know :)

[CurleyMan]

Durango dammit Clay my tires will be bald by the time I get to Pueblo.

[Ryan Gee]

Durango dammit Clay my tires will be bald by the time I get to Pueblo.

:roflmao:

[Packman5280]

i'd be down, depending when it happens. december is probably better, no time off after jan 9 i think.

[OdiN]

Maybe for me...I still need sliders!

And not sure how the rig will do in snow.

[Sully4x4]

Maybe for me...I still need sliders!

And not sure how the rig will do in snow.

Last I heard for china wall you don't need sliders. Is that correct? I heard for Old Chinaman's Gulch that you do?

[OdiN]

Always need sliders! In snow they could help too - if you slide a bit they might stop you from denting the side if you slide into a tree or something - never know, but I'd rather have them than not, on any trail.

[Alpine Spirit]

China Wall if you take the Bypasses you do not need sliders.

Chinamans Gulch Sliders are a good idea.

[OdiN]

China Wall if you take the Bypasses you do not need sliders.

Chinamans Gulch Sliders are a good idea.

Where's the fun in that?

[Sully4x4]

Very valid point on the sliding into something part. And you're right, sliders are pretty much a good add-on no matter what :D

[bogof]

I got a pretty good dent on China Wall last winter, but I was trying a line that I shouldn't have. I dented the other side this summer trying the same line backwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_RgdD6nV1s

[bogof]

Ok so as of right now this run will be
China wall
Jan 3rd or 4th (first weekend of Jan)
Open to all 4x4 vehicles stock and up, all makes/models(within reason no subaru forsters:D )

I think China Wall will be the best trail as far as it's stocker friendly with some good obstacles for the modified guys.

The tentative time will be 10:00 from the trailhead, and lunch at the top of the wall. Everyone is welcome.

Any other suggestion let me know.

[Nissanclay]

I already have plans the 3rd but might be able to make the 4th.

[Sully4x4]

I'm out, I need to work on fixing my pathfinder to be able to even drive it around town :(

[Packman5280]

you got a month jordan, and haven't even proved you need to fix anything yet. hehe.

[Alpine Spirit]

I'm out, I need to work on fixing my pathfinder to be able to even drive it around town :(

Dont give me that!!! You should have seen how Chris ran the WHOLE trail last year.

[Sully4x4]

Well, chances are I am still going. Just need to get time to straighten some shit out.

[MisterTinkle]

Sounds good! Jan 4th will work for me if I make back into town in time.

[soccerbrace]

Should be in, I am having intake issues. Might be able to remedy them soon.




Jordan, do you remember last year? What did you say?:)

[Sully4x4]

Money was the issue last year :D

[JeffW]

Money was the issue last year :D Money is always the issue. If money grew on trees, you'd never hear about trucks being offline.

[Sully4x4]

Money is always the issue. If money grew on trees, you'd never hear about trucks being offline.

Valid point, but I got a promotion, a couple raises, and more hours this year ;)

[Packman5280]

how far away is china wall from denver?

[bogof]

About 120 miles.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=china%20wall%20to%20denver&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS237US238&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl

[Nissanclay]

And I thought Kev lived in BFE!

[OdiN]

Damn. That's like 200 miles or so for me....one way.

I don't even know that I can make it anyway...awful close to Christmas.

[Sully4x4]

Jamie, it's about 75 miles to the turn we need to take to get there from about where we are.

[Packman5280]

yeah i saw the map. it's far.

[Sully4x4]

Unfortunately :(

[JeffW]

I think there's a better way to get there from Denver. However, I moved the route to go through Bailey and it still said 105 miles. I had thought it was about 80 from Denver. I just checked mapquest and it's coming out the same. I like China Wall and it's an easy trek from the Springs.

Is there still any discussion of Slaughterhouse? Will that be easier for folks? I just want to see a snow run with a good turnout. Also consider riding with another member if you don't want to spend the gas.

[Ditchfinder]

Unfortunately :(

Sh!t I drove home 250mi with a rubber mallet shoved in my front suspension at last years expedition to China Wall! you can make it Sully just bring some spare suspension parts.

I would like to ride along with someone this year if that is possible I will take lots of pics and video as well as pay for some of the fuel. PM me if anyone is interested thanks
James:wave:

[JeffW]

I think I can make it. I may have room for a passenger, too.

[Sully4x4]

Slaughterhouse would be tons closer for those in the Denver area, and it's not too difficult.

[bogof]

I't is still long enough out that a change might be fine. I'll post a poll.

[pathmaker1]

Sh!t I drove home 250mi with a rubber mallet shoved in my front suspension

i gotta hear that story now :)

[OdiN]

i gotta hear that story now :)

Yeah that sounds interesting.

[Sully4x4]

All I will say to that is the last Ronin run.

[Ditchfinder]

I will find that thread and add it to the post my torsion bar anchor snapped with my sway away torsion bars and I had no spare we shoved a mallet between the lower control arm and the frame. and jeff helped me get out it made it all the way home into the garage and then collapsed after I parked it.I owe someone a mallet. LMAO. Still have the mallet!

[OdiN]

How did the t-bar anchor snap?

Since I'm looking at buying some sway-aways.

[Ditchfinder]

you will not have the same problem with your X the older pathys used smaller anchors with small splines. Snap was not the word I should have used the splines actually spin out. the sway away ride good but I have noticed they make the truck kind of float a little on the highway .

[JeffW]

I think I can make it.

[soccerbrace]

in fo sho! edit details in first post please

[bogof]

Updated first post. Check to make sure your name is on the list.

[steeze]

I also think ill make this one

[OdiN]

I'm not positive, but hope to make it.

I get some parts (shackles, idler arm brace and torsion bars) in this coming week - I need to get them put on. Torsion bars would be the hard part...never messed with any.

Ian is going to give me a hand, but don't know when our schedules will mesh, weather, etc.

[Sully4x4]

I am still on the fence as to whether or not I am going. I would like to, but my truck is acting funny and I still need to get emissions done. Not that that has anything to do with this run lol.

[OdiN]

emissions-exempt FTW!

[Ditchfinder]

Weld County,Baby!! no emissions here. My auxilary air rusted out years ago I got the cat plugged and blocked off it runs rich and smells it to I hate to be the poor bast!ard behind me in the AM. LMAO.

not to worry for much longer going to MPFI with the turbo.
hope you make it this year Sully,for that matter me to still A few people I would like to meet

[soccerbrace]

Alright......so a meeting place....what're we gonna do?

[bogof]

Looking at the map I guess a good place would be somewhere in Bailey. I don't know the area well. Is there a good meeting place there? Something like a gas station.

[Sully4x4]

Bailey is on the other side of Crow Hill from Denver, isn't it?

And it's starting to look grim on if I am to make it :(

[OdiN]

So how much snow is really up there? Anyone know? Am I the only one who thinks a winch might be a good idea? :P

I should get my parts in today. I will put the Idler Arm Brace on for sure this weekend. No sense putting shackles on without the t-bars though.

[Sully4x4]

A couple weeks ago Kenosha Pass was closed, which is about 30 miles away. Slaughterhouse is a bit closer to the foothills, but a lot of snow could easily be up there still.

[Night in Armor]

The town of Bailey is over crow hill. Conoco station there has free air for air-ups.
There is a loaf-n-jug at 285 and 43A with room to meet.
Not sure if I'm going to make this run or not but can post up what snow I find before the run.

[bogof]

Awesome thanks!

What are the conditions around there now?

[Night in Armor]

Warmer than Alamosa. Snowed for 6 minutes then quit. now only partly cloudy.
in shady areas 3 inches of snow otherwise clear.

[JeffW]

Whats the total participants so far? I'm in unless another catastrophe happens...

[bogof]

So far there are 11 vehicles that said they might make it.

[JeffW]

So far there are 11 vehicles that said they might make it.

Well then let's make a list.

1) bogof
2) jeff
3) ...........
........
....

[bogof]

This is what I have.
1 bogof
2 Allen
3 Odin
4 Clay
5 Ditchfinder
6 Mr Tinkle
7 Soccerbrace
8 Steeze
9 sully4x4
10 Jeffw
11 Kari

[OdiN]

I'm still waiting to hear if anyone has a winch...lol. I'm being paranoid maybe but depending on conditions I've read about people with 35's having to winch up places when there is snow. I know Allen's got one. Is he driving that open aired thing in this weather?? lol.

[soccerbrace]

People got winches homeslice! Chill bleezy!

[bogof]

I think there are 3 people in that list that have winches.

edit...
bleezy!I have no clue what bleezy means

[OdiN]

Well I will do my best to come with my shitty gas mileage lol. Maybe I'll bring the new gf prospect. Anyone else have passengers? James your wife coming?

[Nissanclay]

Something came up on the 3rd so now I am trying to get both days off. I'll keep you posted.

[JeffW]

People got winches homeslice! Chill bleezy!

^James^ can attest to my winch and recovery gear. My tires suck on ice, so I'll probably be busy pulling myself!...

[bogof]

Something came up on the 3rd so now I am trying to get both days off. I'll keep you posted.

As of now it is set for the 4th. A few people couldn't make it the third, but most could make it either day so I picked the fourth.

[Night in Armor]

The big snow predected for yesterday and today is a fizzle so conditions remain as posted earlier.

[soccerbrace]

Well I will do my best to come with my shitty gas mileage lol. Maybe I'll bring the new gf prospect. Anyone else have passengers? James your wife coming?

She would've came if it were on the 3rd, but she works 330-midnight Sunday-Thurs at a local strip club, so she can't come. She would probably not want to be the only chick coming though.

[OdiN]

Yeah that's what I was thinking so didn't want to bring her if she was the only one, but dunno she might not care.

[bogof]

I am bringing my Nephew (13) too hopefully. My brother and his ex are going through a nasty divorce so I'll see how that goes.

[MisterTinkle]

I'm planning on bringing my 13 year old son. Quality time in the cold!

[JeffW]

I had a drivelineline flange break loose and do some damage. My truck is in the shop getting fixed. Hopefully she'll be ready to go by the end of the business week.

[Nissanclay]

As of now it is set for the 4th. A few people couldn't make it the third, but most could make it either day so I picked the fourth.

I know, but I had something come up and ended up needing to take the 3rd off. Which means I probably wont be able to also get the 4th off. We'll see I'm trying to switch shifts with someone.

[Night in Armor]

Only 1" of snow yesterday. Sunny parts of trail should be clear. In the trees should stil have snow. It's also been blowing hard off and on.

[Ditchfinder]

Im waiting on some bushings so we can put a PS rack back in my buddies truck so I should still be able to make it.

[OdiN]

So....meeting spot?

[soccerbrace]

Alright, A group of us are meeting at 9AM at the McDonalds at the Castlerock outlet shops. Anyone wanna join?

[OdiN]

castlerock would be going past where I need to go

[soccerbrace]

Then going to Castlerock would not be a wise choice Andrew..;)

[OdiN]

Brilliant deduction James :p

Got some work to do Saturday if I'm gonna make it.

[JeffW]

Alright, A group of us are meeting at 9AM at the McDonalds at the Castlerock outlet shops. Anyone wanna join?

I was planning on going through Woodland Pk to Deckers. Castle rock doesn't meet my plans, either. Wish me luck getting my truck ready in time!...

[OdiN]

Have a lot to do? I just want to put on the idler arm brace and maybe do some more plastic trimming.

[Night in Armor]

So 10 AM Loaf N Jug 285 and PCR 43A?

[soccerbrace]

I was planning on going through Woodland Pk to Deckers. Castle rock doesn't meet my plans, either. Wish me luck getting my truck ready in time!...

Woody is on the fence now too! He is waiting to hear back from some people on adopting a dog. Jeff would Woodland park be the best choice for us?

[kari]

I have another friend of mine who wants to come too with his jeep if thats cool.

Kari

[OdiN]

Jeepers welcome :)

We reserve the right to make friendly jabs though :p

[Sully4x4]

James, Woodland park might not be, cuz you are circling around an aweful lot. For China Wall I would say Woodland Park would be the best route, but I think 25 to Hampden might be the best route?

[Thunderbolt]

I might be going. I'll know for sure by Saturday.

David

[OdiN]

I might be going. I'll know for sure by Saturday.

David

Don't wait til the last minute or anything. :D

[soccerbrace]

Yeah, I think Jeff is running solo through Woodland Park. Not sure though. Woody is coming, though riding in a friend's jeep, and a few others too.

Jarod, AFAIK, NO PIPE is coming too.

[Nissanclay]

I'm out :(

[OdiN]

I'm out :(

Call in dead.

[soccerbrace]

How stock friendly is this? Highway tire friendly?

[Sully4x4]

Yes, complete stocker friendly, only thing worrisome is the snow.

[OdiN]

Snow shouldn't be an issue if conditons are as night in armor is saying - the real fun stuff would be ice.

If there is deep snow, that would be an issue as well.

[JeffW]

...If there is deep snow, that would be an issue as well.

Deep snow shouldn't be too bad as long as the guys with the big tires get it busted up first. The only real worry would be ice on off-camber or steep stuff. I thinkit'll be fine for everybody.

[OdiN]

I don't think there's too much off-camber stuff on this trail but there's the hill down and the hill up. Going down ice seems to work but that going up ice just doesn't work as well.

Weather for Bailey is saying snow showers from Thursday through Tuesday.

[Packman5280]

this might be the last chance i get to take my truck out for a long, long time, so count me in.

[OdiN]

Why is that dude? Going to be doing a bunch of work to it?

[Packman5280]

uh, no, i wish. probably won't have a license in a bit, and when i do, insurance is gonna be a nightmare for me. so the truck will probably sit uninsured for a while.

[Sully4x4]

There are a couple of off-camber parts. One in particular I remember, I hated it =P. That would would be an issue with snow/ice, as if you roll, you go down into the creek.

[Ryan Gee]

Off camber all the way down in there then a grunt of a hill on the way out... Ice/Snow could be somewhat taxing.

[Packman5280]

yay, especially in my truck.

[bogof]

There was a big group that went a few days ago. They should have pached it down some. Any snow after that shouldn't be a huge deal unless they get a lot of snow before we go.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/mtnrunner1/Winter%20Wheelin%20Dec%2008/dec2008042.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/mtnrunner1/Winter%20Wheelin%20Dec%2008/dec2008045.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/tantonio_2008/NewVehiclesSnowrun08130.jpg

[OdiN]

Doesn't look like it would be too icy either - with snow showers through then and that kind of weather there shouldn't be enough melting/refreezing to be an issue I wouldn't think.

[Ryan Gee]

Those look like 37in MTRs and the diffs are draggin...

Who has a winch in the group going?

[Night in Armor]

Tomorrow I am going to check it out. Not going to run it all alone and pull an L.A. Xterra on y'all though. Weather has been windy but no new snow. Some predicted for tonight though. I'll post up Friday what I find.
Later and Happy New Year!

[soccerbrace]

Jeff and a few others have winches.

[Ryan Gee]

Birds Eye view of the area...

Not too bad..

http://webshareimage.com/images/x2poq6hn8snaw6j3opy3.jpg

[Packman5280]

NICE! thanks bro, i love shots like that.

[OdiN]

When was that taken?

[Packman5280]

judging by the shadows, about 230

[Ryan Gee]

About an hour ago...

[OdiN]

Cool. Looks like a lot less than the pics Jarod put up is all.

[Ryan Gee]

The trees can hide stuff.. but looks good from 5000ft away.

[OdiN]

Yeah and those may just be the pics from certain parts that are more shaded, but overall doesn't look like much snow except for in the "valley" areas there.

[bogof]

Ryan you have a kickass job!

That is all.

[JeffW]

There was a big group that went a few days ago. They should have pached it down some. Any snow after that shouldn't be a huge deal unless they get a lot of snow before we go.



Looks fun! :bannana: :yellowsnow: :torch: :driving:

[OdiN]

So where's the meet place. Is it a gas station so I can fill up or should I do that before getting there?

[bogof]

Yeah there are two gas stations in town. Maybe knight in armor can say what would be better. I know he said one had free air too.

I guess Bailey is small enough to just find people too.

First post updated.

[OdiN]

Isn't the road to the trail east of Bailey? It's not too far to drive a bit further but just checking.

[bogof]

Bailey seemed like the best place to meet since it had a gas station and was close by (about 10 miles)

[OdiN]

Yup. I think I've filled up there before also.

[bogof]

Also as I said earlier I haven't ran this trail before so I someone with a winch could take up the front that would be GNARLEY!

[Sully4x4]

It's called, I think, the "Ok-Ee-Cho-Bi" or something turn. It's a light that you turn at.

I won't be able to make it this time either, work didn't let me get the day off. My GM is an ass.

[OdiN]

Call in dead.

[soccerbrace]

ROTFLMAO

Nice Andrew!

Sweet! I am getting excited!

[Sully4x4]

Call in dead.

I would if I wasn't a manager :(

[OdiN]

I'm trying to get last minute stuff done. And my check engine light came on while I was driving around at lunch lol. Probably just that stupid evap code again. I really need to fix that.

I need to get rid of some front plastic to fix some rubbing. And I want to get the idler arm brace put on tomorrow. And I gotta take some tires down to a guy that's buying them hopefully. Just bunch of little crap.

[Sully4x4]

You still have a couple days

[OdiN]

Not really - I'm at work right now and by the time I'm out it's dark so can't really do anything tonight.

[bogof]

I have to get "new" tires put on the back. That's pretty much it.

Oh and I've been having an electrical gremlin again, but I'll just bring my jumper cables.

[Thunderbolt]

Looks like I'm going, There's a loaf n jug off 285 before we before the drive back to the trail head, I cant remember the CR road that it's on, I think it was CR43. Those in the Denver would want to meet somewhere before 285, we could meet at the Tipsy liquor store off of C-470 and Bowls.

[OdiN]

Yeah if anyone in Denver area wants to meet up, let's figure out a time and I'll meet up with you guys there.

[Night in Armor]

I did run it part way yesterday in 4 hi and no airing down.
Thanks Bobof and Ryan for the pics. There is a lot more snow on the trail than here at the house only a few miles away.

The trial has been traveled extensively and varies from clear to hard pack ice.
I met a pair coming out in a heep chicadee with the pasenger side trashed. They said they didn't do the damage that day, but also said the off camber places were, "icy and gnarly, dude".

Some places have a lot of snow but it's been gone through. More snow may fall tomorrow though which would be great.

Depending on kids work schedule hope to make this run.
Later all!

[Night in Armor]

P.S. It's Id-Ra-Ha-Je

[MisterTinkle]

Looks like I'm going, There's a loaf n jug off 285 before we before the drive back to the trail head, I cant remember the CR road that it's on, I think it was CR43. Those in the Denver would want to meet somewhere before 285, we could meet at the Tipsy liquor store off of C-470 and Bowls.

Post 1 shows Loaf-n-Jug at 10am in Bailey; works for me.

David, I can meet you at Tipsy's if you still plan to start there. What time?

Sam

[Alpine Spirit]

Yep that Loaf N Jug is a great place to meet. Huge Building.. you cant miss it.

[Sully4x4]

P.S. It's Id-Ra-Ha-Je

Thanks! It was bugging me and I couldn't figure it out for the life of me!

[Thunderbolt]

Post 1 shows Loaf-n-Jug at 10am in Bailey; works for me.

David, I can meet you at Tipsy's if you still plan to start there. What time?

Sam

How about 9:00 to 9:15 and go from there, that way if somebody wants to meet somewhere off 285 let us know.


David

[MisterTinkle]

How about 9:00 to 9:15 and go from there, that way if somebody wants to meet somewhere off 285 let us know.

Sounds good. See you there (weather permitting...)

[JeffW]

How about 9:00 to 9:15 and go from there, that way if somebody wants to meet somewhere off 285 let us know.


David

Can you explain this? should I be in Bailey at 9:15 or 10? Where is Tipsys?

[MisterTinkle]

Can you explain this? should I be in Bailey at 9:15 or 10? Where is Tipsys?

Tipsey's is a rather large liquor store at the Bowles exit for C-470. Easy place to find, and very close to the C-470/285 junction. We plan to meet at Tipsey's and then travel together to the Bailey Loaf-n-Jug.

[Alpine Spirit]

Here is a map for you guys of the Loaf N Jug near Bailey area.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2273/loafnjuggr8.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loafnjuggr8.jpg)

[steeze]

I think Tipsy's would be a great place to meet. BTW I don't have a front tow hook right now is that going to be a problem? Is there something else we can pull on from the front if necessary?

[Thunderbolt]

Can you explain this? should I be in Bailey at 9:15 or 10? Where is Tipsys?

For Denver people, I thought Tipsy would be a good place to meet and then be at the near Loaf N jug near Baily by 10:00 for the final meet, before going to the trail head.

David

[JeffW]

OK, i get it. The "Tipsy" folks will still meet us at 10. See y'all there...

[soccerbrace]

So the Colorado Springers are going to meet up with the other people at Loaf and jug at 10 in Baliey.

The CS-ers and CR-ers are meeting at 9 at McDonalds CR outlets

The Denverites are meeting at Tipsy's at 9-915

[JeffW]

So the Colorado Springers are going to meet up with the other people at Loaf and jug at 10 in Baliey.

The CS-ers and CR-ers are meeting at 9 at McDonalds CR outlets

The Denverites are meeting at Tipsy's at 9-915

You don't have a good chance of making it by 10 if you're meeting in Castle Rock at 9. The folks at Tipsy's will be a half an hour ahead of you. I recommend meeting them directly or leaving CR by 8:45 and driving straight.

[Night in Armor]

Snowing lightly. Only 1/2 inch so far.

[Sully4x4]

It takes me about 45 minutes to an hour to get there from where I live, CR is about 20 miles away from me, so I'd say 8:30 if you wanna be there by 10.

[Alpine Spirit]

Ok.. Im in.

[Ditchfinder]

I am also in the yota is repaired. we will meet the dever guys at the Tipsey's and if not the loaf n jug

[bogof]

I'm off to bed. See you on the trail!

[Sully4x4]

Have fun and be safe tomorrow guys. Snowin out pretty good here in Saudi Aurora, so hopefully it's not TOO bad up there.