SAS? sell me your old cast off axles

[aaronet]

I need a HG 4.6 and R 180 4.6 from a '96 or '97 4cyl Hardbody. A Pathfinder rear axle HG 4.6 will also fit. Will the R 200 from a Pathy fit on a 4cyl Hardbody? Please help out! Aaron in Pine

[CurleyMan]

Hey man i think you will have better luck on here. Are you mechanically inclined because i do know where one is @ a junk yard.

[Ryan Gee]

Any front end from a 93+ should work. The 86-89 uses different cv axles and steering box. The 90-92 uses the same shafts however has the old steering box. The centerlink is the same from 86-92 and changed for the 93-97. I do have a H233A from a HB that would bolt up to your rig. I had the front stuff... however it is long gone!

[CurleyMan]

oh well if ryan is correct and i'm sure he is the one at the junk yard won't work..

[Ryan Gee]

If all you need is the diff... 90-97 should work.

[Packman5280]

i have a front, but it is 4.3 gears not 4.6. I don't think my rear is usable any more, had to use a torch to get the 3rd member out.

[NissanNut]

I have a 92 r200 4.6 for sale. but its in TX.

[aaronet]

Hi Guys, I've changed my mind and am looking to use 4.9's instead. I can always go to bigger tires. LOL

[CurleyMan]

I doubt nissan has 4.9's in any stock d21 or wd21 axles.... If I may ask what are you doing anyway? Are you just trying to change your gear ratio to run bigger tires? If infact this is the case have you checked 4x4parts.com, they sell replacement gears all the way up to 5.13's. Have you thought about throwing a solid axle under the front of your truck?

[CurleyMan]

if you are trying to stuff the xterra third member into your r180 it's impossible. If you are tring to stuff the xtera third member into a r200 i think the spline count is wrong and the axle shafts are too long. One thing I do know about your rear axle (R180) is that it is very weak compared to the R200 (H233b i think).

[Packman5280]

you guys are gtting confusing. a little clarification is in order. there is no such thing as a 3rd member in an r180, or an r200 for that matter. r180 and r200 are front ifs differentials, not a 3rd member design. an r200 is nothing like an h233b, seeing as how it is used in the front and a 233 is for the rear, the rear axle that had 200 in it was the c200, which also is not a 3rd member design.

[NissanNut]

The 4.88 and 5.13s AC sells are stock gears in D21s in other countries. They put smaller motors in with lower gears. Nissan has been that since the 60's at least.

Nissan Motorsports has been selling those gears in the US for racing use for 30 years. US Dealers also sell the gears.

D22/Xterrra 4.9 gears apparently bolt into the 31 spline carrier. I have yet to see it done. Packman is the only one I know of that has Xterra 4.9 gears to put in a 31 spline carrier/case.

I want some 4.9 gears for my 92 WD21:bannana: . I dont want to spend allot of money because no one have tried it yet.

[NissanNut]

you guys are gtting confusing. a little clarification is in order. there is no such thing as a 3rd member in an r180, or an r200 for that matter. r180 and r200 are front ifs differentials, not a 3rd member design. an r200 is nothing like an h233b, seeing as how it is used in the front and a 233 is for the rear, the rear axle that had 200 in it was the c200, which also is not a 3rd member design.

The R200 R180 is also used in the rear of the Z cars and some subarus.

[CurleyMan]

lol oops my bad I guess what i was trying to explain is that he cannot put a third member in his 4cyl rear axle. I had the same rear axle before my sas and it does not have a third member. It is setup almost like a dana 44 but weak like a dana 35 i guess. Your right though i totally got the whole r and c thingy mixed up. I'm just trying to stress that he cannot put an xterra third member into a rear 6cyl d21 or wd21 housing because the axles are too long and the spline count is wrong.

[NissanNut]

lol oops my bad I guess what i was trying to explain is that he cannot put a third member in his 4cyl rear axle. I had the same rear axle before my sas and it does not have a third member. It is setup almost like a dana 44 but weak like a dana 35 i guess. Your right though i totally got the whole r and c thingy mixed up. I'm just trying to stress that he cannot put an xterra third member into a rear 6cyl d21 or wd21 housing because the axles are too long and the spline count is wrong.

You had a C200. It was used in front and rear soild axles around the world. rear only in 720s and D21s. I put 4.88s in my 85 720 c200 from Nismo.

[CurleyMan]

i've always been told it was a poor axle. It looked pretty small and was pretty rusty so i sent it too the scrap yard. Was that actually a good axle? I never had any trouble with it but i doubt it could take the tires i have now. The h233b axles which resemble in a way yota and ford axles are supposedly alot stronger. I ousted my rear because no one had put 37's on the c200 before. The 4wd magazines swear that 35's are the biggest one should go on a D44. I had no clue that the c200 was popular or good for anything.. Is it a semi float design and does it use c clips?

[Packman5280]

i think it's similar in strength to a d44. 200mm ring gear is 7.8", so not the best axle. i would say you did good by ditching it, it was useless to you and not a good candidate to build.

[NissanNut]

Its mainly used behind 4bangers. The Xterra used it. I only had 32s on my 4wd 720. I paid some one to regear it. I never took it apart. Not sure if c clip or not. I know allot of patrols have it as a front axle. Its the same strength as a R200.

saw this some where:

Rear

H190(AL) Type I
520 from 12/71
620 up to 9/73

H190(ML) Type II
620 from 10/73
720 2wd (except Z24i & HD)
720 4x4 up to 6/83
D21 2wd 4cyl A/T up to 12/85 & M/T up to 1/86

H190(ML) (12mm ring bolts)
D21 2wd 4cyl A/T from 12/85 & M/T from 1/86

C200 (10mm ring bolts)
720 2wd (Z24i & HD)
720 4x4 from 7/83
D21 4x4 4cyl up to 4/86

C200 (12mm ring bolts)
D21 4x4 4cyl from 4/86 up to 1/92
WD21 4x4 4cyl from 4/86 up to 1/92

H233B (10mm ring bolts)
D21 V6 up to 6/86

H233B (12mm ring bolts)

D21 V6 from 6/86 up to 8/89
D21 V6 from 8/89 up to 1/92 - different than above
D21 V6 and 4x4 4cyl from 1/92 - different than above
WD21 V6 from 6/86 up to 8/89
WD21 V6 from 8/89 up to 1/92 - different than above
WD21 V6 and 4x4 4cyl from 1/92 - different than above

Front End Diffs:

R180
720 4x4

R180A (10mm ring bolts)
D21 4x4 4cyl up to 6/86

R180A (11mm ring bolts)
D21 4x4 4cyl from 6/86
WD21 4x4 4cyl from 6/86

R200A (10mm ring bolts)
D21 4x4 V6 up to 4/86

R200A (12mm ring bolts)
D21 4x4 V6 from 4/86

[aaronet]

What I'm trying to do is put the Xterra 4.9 R200 in place of my 4.3 R180. Won't it just bolt in? As far as the H233 3rd member goes won't a 4.9 from a Xterra go into the HB/Pathy housing using the Xterra axles?

[NissanNut]

The Xterra has a wider WMS. The R200 should bolt in. But may hit the pan.

[aaronet]

What I want to do is put the Xterra R200 under the front of my HB 4cyl R180. Will it just bolt in? Is there enough room? Will the Xterra H233 3rd member fit into a '95 HB axle housing? I will need the 33 spline axles as well. Will the axles fit my housing? Is the length the same?

[Packman5280]

no. no. yes. no. no.

the x 3rd will fit, but you will have to take the carrier from your pathfinder and swap it in place of the xterra carrier. you cannot use the 33 spline axles, they are longer, so you have to swap the carrier from the pathfinder.

[CurleyMan]

And i'm guessing you want to do this so you can run bigger tires right?

[aaronet]

And i'm guessing you want to do this so you can run bigger tires right?

To make a long story short, yes I need lower gearing. But it's starting to sound like it's going to be too complicated and expensive. Maybe I'll end up going back to the 4.625 idea.

[Bill Potter]

I have a complete r200 front setup (hub to hub) from a 92 SE-V6 with 4.37 gears. Then if you can find some one with 4.90s you could swap them in. I don't know what parts you would need to swap but its all there.

[aaronet]

I have a complete r200 front setup (hub to hub) from a 92 SE-V6 with 4.37 gears. Then if you can find some one with 4.90s you could swap them in. I don't know what parts you would need to swap but its all there.

How much would you want for the r200?

[Bill Potter]

how about $100 you take it all, save me the trouble of trying to sell it part by part.

[aaronet]

broncb2b send me your phone# aaronet@allvantage.com we'll talk.