Couple of SAS questions

[Nissanclay]

I'm trying to buy everything I need for my SAS.

Here is what I have in the basement so far:
Calmini kit
Fox shocks
King coils
Warn diff cover
Warn premium hubs
Flat top knuckles
D44 axle

Here is what still have left to buy:
High steer arms
Wheel spacers
Rear lift components
R&P (Ryan has a buddy with a set that I just need to get)
Drive shaft

Question 1, am I missing anything?

Question 2, what size wheel spacers do I need and who sells them?

Question 3, for now I am going to use blocks for the rear. What size do I need? I was going to buy THESE (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1232&category_id=904fd88d1a8a256db0a0ab000532e98b&ps_session=2d44852bbdc933e4300e6d3a07574150) should 2" do it? Keep in mind I am already SOA in the rear and have 2" lift spring packs alreay on it. If I do 2" blocks, should the AC extended stainless steel break lines work?

Question 4, If I do the triangle style shock design like on Chris's X, will I need to buy longer rear shocks.

Question 5, where can I get the knuckles machined for the high steer, whats the turn around time and whats the expected price?

Thats all I got for now. Thanks in advance.

[tmorgan4]

For wheel spacers I'd look at Spidertrax. They're local and everything I've bought from them in the past is quality stuff and got here the next day. There are tons of places that are selling wheel spacers for cheaper but after reading a story on CO4x4 I'd invest in a set you know isn't going to fall apart.

[DamnHippie]

Lift blocks are a bad idea, any chance you could get the extra height you need with just shackles? Shackles are... well... free, for a Frontier; they're just a couple hunks of 3/8 bar stock with holes drilled in them.

If you must go with lift blocks, I have some 3" blocks that are just dying to destroy another set of springs. You'd have to go get Denver Spring to make you some u-bolts tho, that'd run about $35.

Don't pay AC $58 for a 27 inch rear brake line, that's robbery. You can get a custom length one made for about $30. I think I had mine made at 24" and ended up wishing for more (although much more would imply lengthening the ABS wire too).

If you haven't taken the limit-stops off the rear springs, you might not need a longer one at all. To compensate for the extra height without any extra flex you can make a standoff for the block on top of the axle tube for about $3 worth of hardware store parts.

[cameron_garrison]

has anyone done highsteer on the calmini kit yet. from what i remember from wyotech youll have to move the track bar uo otherwise youll have bumpsteer because they need to me at the same angle
spidertrax is the only company i would trust on spacers i bought some cheapies and almost lost my tire from the studs braking
give je reel a call there the ones that build calminis shaft and supposebly they will build them for cheaper
and your missing sterring system

[cameron_garrison]

you shouldnt need longer shocks since your movint them higher on the axle

[Nissanclay]

Ok cool got one down. Spidertrax got it.

Ian, I already have the longer rear break line installed from AC. I bought the set after I broke one in Moab in 05. Will I need a longer one? I know lift blocks are bad. But it will only temporary. Well probably all summer and winter then I get new springs for GONE next year. Shackles are an idea but it depends on what I'll need for height. I don't want 3" longer shackles. I wouldn't mind doing a combo of the two but just have never been a fan of super long shackles.

I will be running hi-steer hence the high steer arms. Well maybe. I might do a set up like kevin's first. It depends on the how much money I have left. I still need tires.

[Nissanclay]

Wich ones? (http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.169/.f) hub centric or wheel and hub centric?

[Packman5280]

nissan's are hub centric. yota's and cheby's are lug centric, it's why you have to grind out the center of a cheby rim to fit a nissan.

[DamnHippie]

It just popped into my head that you're gonna need custom-made brake lines for the front that are 10mm flare on the Nissan end and probably like 7/16 banjo on the axle end. This is where I got mine made: http://www.xtremecrawlers.com/catalog/brakes-c-30.html

[Nissanclay]

The Calmin kit includes break lines, but thanks Ian.

So Jamie you're saying I need These ones (http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl;jsessionid=ac112b1e1f43ada9b1d1e35f4498b73a8e 9ab4f747a4.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38La3n0?it=A&id=1252)

[Packman5280]

i think so, but you're probably better off asking ryan, i'm not positive, and he's run some before so he should know.

[Alpine Spirit]

Yep in order to High steer the Track bar on the axle will have to be moved to alleviate the bump steer.

[Alpine Spirit]

Wheel spacers 1-1.5" is the size CALL SPIDERTRAX. I heard they are on Back Order.

[Alpine Spirit]

The Calmin kit includes break lines, but thanks Ian.

So Jamie you're saying I need These ones (http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl;jsessionid=ac112b1e1f43ada9b1d1e35f4498b73a8e 9ab4f747a4.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38La3n0?it=A&id=1252)

I am 95% sure those are the ones I got. But call em up.

[BLACKOUTX]

It's the 1.5 inch you need. I have been waiting since march 26 for them. Did your kit come with the skid plate? I've been waiting for mine since Nov.

[Nissanclay]

I did not see the skid plate. I don't think its something that is easily missed. I had herd it was back ordered but to no suprise they didn't tell me.

Chris, are there any issues you are having without the wheel spacers? Are they really just to even thing out or are they really needed?

[cameron_garrison]

it will add alot of stability im not running them right now and get on any off camber stuff it feels really tippy what i would do if i was you get some cheapys drive to moab without them put them on once you get there check them mid week then take them off for the drive home i need them just havent

[Allen Cox]

Screw the spacers! Just go full width on the axles. :D

Spacers also help with tracking correctly and getting rid of the twitchiness of the steering that can happen sometimes.

[BLACKOUTX]

I have a set of Ryans on mine right now. My rims require the spacers for clearance. Just got back from spidertrax and they will be getting the spacers in on may 17th.

[Nissanclay]

I have a set of Ryans on mine right now. My rims require the spacers for clearance. Just got back from spidertrax and they will be getting the spacers in on may 17th.

Wow that is cutting it close. I guess i'll order them and hope for the best. Where is Spidertrax located?

Kev didn't you do something different then the steering that Calmini uses? What did you do? Do you have pictures? I think I'm going to wait to do High steer.

[Nissanclay]

So the questions I have left are:

How much lift do I need to dao to the rear? Cameron What did you do?

Do I need a longer rear break line?

[Alpine Spirit]

I used DOM Tube and Heim ends for the Drag Link and Tie Rod. The tube was not threaded we used weld in threaded slugs (spidertrax).

[BLACKOUTX]

Spidertrax is up in Longmont.

[Packman5280]

I used DOM Tube and Heim ends for the Drag Link and Tie Rod. The tube was not threaded we used weld in threaded slugs (spidertrax).

diddo, except mine came from PS

[Alpine Spirit]

Maybe it was PS... It had Spyer/Spider in it an only one carries the weld in slugs.

[tmorgan4]

I saw a set of the Spidertrax spacers for a Toyota for sale recently. I can't remember if it was on craigslist, CO4x4, or Pirate but I know I saw a set recently.

[Nissanclay]

There is a seller on Ebay that is selling them. It list 49 available. I sent him an email asking if he has these or if its a drop ship item. I'll let you know what I find out.

[Nissanclay]

I used DOM Tube and Heim ends for the Drag Link and Tie Rod. The tube was not threaded we used weld in threaded slugs (spidertrax).

PIC? I'm still trying to figure out how all this stuff works. How long were the tubes, where did you get them? Why size Heims do I need from Spyder?

[Alpine Spirit]

I will get some better pics later today and some measurements.

[Packman5280]

i used 5/8" heims because they are stronger than 3/4". yes, you read that right. also, my pitman was already drilled to 5/8" for my LP steering, so it worked really well. PS sells link tube by the foot, I think i grabbed 4' and had plenty left over.

[cameron_garrison]

im just running the blocks that i had when i had the 3" calmini and revolvers truck sits a little lower but i dont care as long as i clear the tires i have now thats all i care about i had to trim a little on the fender flares but thats it

[Nissanclay]

So since I have 2 inch springs already, 3" blocks should do it? How much do you want for yours Ian?

[Nissanclay]

There is a seller on Ebay that is selling them. It list 49 available. I sent him an email asking if he has these or if its a drop ship item. I'll let you know what I find out.

He said he drop ships the spacers from Spidertrax.

[CurleyMan]

Ya know I have been defensive about this in the past but I really don't like blocks. I have them and it was more of a mistake then anything else... Building the springs took Alcan three weeks so Alphase guessed on my front and rear spring height and ordered front and rear springs all at once. Axle wrap is not only bad for the springs but it also hurts traction on the trail. i know this may be your only option but think about fixing the problem the correct way as soon as you can....

[Nissanclay]

Ya know I have been defensive about this in the past but I really don't like blocks. I have them and it was more of a mistake then anything else... Building the springs took Alcan three weeks so Alphase guessed on my front and rear spring height and ordered front and rear springs all at once. Axle wrap is not only bad for the springs but it also hurts traction on the trail. i know this may be your only option but think about fixing the problem the correct way as soon as you can....

Definetly. I just can't afford to get springs at the moment. I could wait to put the SAS kit on but ya know with Moab coming up and all.....

[Allen Cox]

I know what you mean Ben. We constantly put blocks on the back of the posers that we build. 6" lifted SuperDuty and HD Duramax trucks get some huge bastards, in combination with add-a-leaves. We have to sometimes get an entire new driveshaft just to get rid of vibrations due to the blocks allowing so much wrap. We're talking 4" blocks!

[Nissanclay]

I know what you mean Ben. We constantly put blocks on the back of the posers that we build. 6" lifted SuperDuty and HD Duramax trucks get some huge bastards, in combination with add-a-leaves. We have to sometimes get an entire new driveshaft just to get rid of vibrations due to the blocks allowing so much wrap. We're talking 4" blocks!

good thing mine will only be 3" right! :poop: Allen, I see those trucks all the time and hate them.

Ok, if your going to beat me into submission over the blocks are schakles an option? To my they seem like some big ass schacles.

Or can I add a AAL to this (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1664&category_id=904fd88d1a8a256db0a0ab000532e98b&ps_session=38ca17346e3fc48d81d1d61ba2fae2aa) leaf pack?

[CurleyMan]

Hmmm shackles may be an option build your front up then figure it out. An add a leaf is sometimes a bad choice becouse the leafs don't work well together in some cases. If it is just a temporary thing then blocks will do the trick. You could gain two inches with shackles and one with blocks. The higher the springs are from the axle the more axle wrap. So a One inch block wouldn't be so bad or embarassing.

[Alpine Spirit]

For that price I would just do the blocks for now... and get the new leafs from alcan soon.

[Nissanclay]

Well the issue with getting the front done then dealing with the rear is that this will be done last minute befor Gone. I don't have time to wait for stuff to get in and what not. I need to get it done kind of all at once.

Here is kind of my plan not set in stone but it's at least a plan;

Today - I had planned to weld the mounts on to the axle. I didn't get to it so it gets pushed back. I did get my T-case gears installed today though. Its all clean a ready to go, I just have to install the case in the truck.

This week - Get the axle taken apart a ready for gears. Turn rotors, pull shafts and clean the housing.

Sunday May 6th - Install ring and pinion in axle, weld mounts, and get axle back together.

The week of 5/7-5/12 - Get axle back together and ready for install.

May 13th - Mothers day, I have lunch with my Mom and am going to try and do what I can.

Sometime before 5/20 - Install Calmini SAS.

Is it doable? Can anyone help any of these dates? I can get almost any day off as long as I have at least a weeks notice.

Hey Kev were you able to get some pics of your steering? Thanks.

[Nissanclay]

Just poking around the net and found that SLR make a wheel spacer Clicky (http://www.spencerlowracing.com/products/) I know they make quality products, would this be an alternative to the Spidertrx ones? They are more then Spidertrx and I'll prolly wait anyway, I just wanted to trow these out there as a possible option.

[Alpine Spirit]

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[Alpine Spirit]

All bolts are grade 8s. Heims are all 3/4s. on the opposite ends they are right and left hand threads so it does not require removal to adjust them. Make sure to use jam nuts and locktite on EVERY thing. They Pitman arm does need to be drilled out to accept the bolt.

[Nissanclay]

Nice, thanks kev. I kind of had that pictured in my mind but I'm bad about understanding things until I see them. I was looking at the parts on Poisonspyder, how long tubing do I need? Would 6ft be more than enough?

[Alpine Spirit]

6FT may not quite be enough.

[CurleyMan]

Yes kev is right you probably want double of what your axle width is. Becouse you will have two rods which both need to streatch the length of your axle. Also poison spider seems to be slacking lately i'd think about getting your supplies elsewhere like spidertraxx.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/curleyben/Rampandlift/2003_0101nissan0009.jpg

[CurleyMan]

oh and my linkage looks more like kevins now thease are old pic's from right after it was done.

[Nissanclay]

Poison is right by my house. I'll call them and see what the time frame is and if its too long I'll go else where.

[Allen Cox]

I need to make a run to SpiderTrax too. Wish I could take an afternoon off!

[BLACKOUTX]

I think I'm heading to spidertrax Friday if the parts i need came in. Let me know what you need and I will pick it up. Kevin do you still need the heims?

[Alpine Spirit]

I am going to recheck the heims on the drag link and let you know.

[Nissanclay]

I think I'm heading to spidertrax Friday if the parts i need came in. Let me know what you need and I will pick it up. Kevin do you still need the heims?

Here is what I need. http://pics.montypics.com/nissanclay/2007-05-03/1178234739_shopping.jpg

If you are heading up it would be sweet if you could pic this up. I will just order it online for local pick up. If thats cool with you.

Also, am I missing anything.

[BLACKOUTX]

I'll pick it up in the afternoon when i get up.

[Nissanclay]

I'll pick it up in the afternoon when i get up.

Ok, I'll place the order in the AM and I'll specify that you are picking it up. If they have any issues just have them call me. Where do you live? I can come get it from you or if you want to swing by sunday and pay kev and I a visit you're more than welcome. Do you have any update on wheel spacers from them? I'm going to order them as well and hope I can have them by Gone.

[BLACKOUTX]

I live in Glendale. The wheel spacers are going to be in on the 17th hopefully. I'll give you a call when I get back to to town.

[BLACKOUTX]

You need any parts Kevin. Anybody else?

[Nissanclay]

Chris I placed the order and have a confirmation # if you need it. I have 10ft of tubing that they are cutting in half if there is an issue getting it in the X let me know and I'll get it. Thanks again for getting it. Give me a call and we will set up at time to meet so I can get it from you before it ends up on your truck. Can you do me a favor and get two more washers? I ordered 10 but remembered I need 12 for both sides of the track bar. I'll just give you cash when I see you.

[Nissanclay]

Thanks again Chris.